and governance. it's the political system that often has not supplied the needed governance. >> rose: you believe that your proudest accomplishment is that "italy is no longer risking igniting a debt crisis." >> this, obviously, would not have been the case last november when we came in, and i think it's pretty important for italy, of course, but, also, for the whole of the euro zone, the whole of europe, and the global economy that a country which is the third largest country in the-- the third largest economy in the euro zone has not added the weight to the series of local fires that have been happening. i believe that, also, the huge interest shown, for example, from this side of the atlantic, vis-a-vis italian developments can only be explained because of the risk that was attached to italy being derailed, and the hope that we have been putting italy back on the rails safely. >> rose: i would think that the most difficult thing for most governments, if you believe there was a need for austerity,